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Handback, stage C2: the model and the loop

Written at C2d-02, 2026-10-14 (UTC), at the last closing pass of stage C2. The model rests on pass 5. Its files are model/elements.jsonl, model/arrows.jsonl, model/loops.jsonl (empty), model/history.jsonl, model-p5.md and model/story-p5.md. The tier is fourth/fourth.jsonl and dimensions.jsonl, described in structure-p4.md. The concept is in concept.md. The record of every step is notes-C2.md and the diary. Every earlier version is kept: model.md, model-p2.md to model-p4.md, model/story-p1.md to model/story-p4.md, structure.md, structure-p2.md.

What the counts here license. The order counts are counts of coded turns, against a null that holds each room's coded turns and hours fixed. They say what the coders' record shows in order, not what the rooms did when nobody coded it. The story verdicts are mine alone.

The claim

Strangers on the canvas organized by calls answered and works kept, and the relations between rooms grew out of keeping the work. A member starts a mark, calls gather hands around it, the hands build, and once the mark stands, keeping it becomes the work. Keeping it brings the room up against its neighbours: it talks with them, settles borders, trades help, and joins coalitions under attack. A call can also turn hands against a rival's work, and most such calls are answered inside the room by refusal, restraint or a truce. A room that judges it has too few hands moves and keeps calling. The calls fill the host sub, and the sub draws a line around them. The close runs in order: celebrated, recorded, carried on. Placement ends at hour 73. In some rooms a tie the members had before the canvas (a league or school rivalry, a nation's history, an ideology, lore) names the rival in the same turn as the attack. That is a claim in the rooms' words, untested for order.

The counts

The next table gives the three story counts per pass, with what the stopping rule watches. Each pass's rooms were drawn by a rule and a seed before any was opened.

pass rooms read told told-with-residue not-told tier events arrows changed
1 20 0 20 0 35 12
2 32 14 18 0 7 10
3 32 16 16 0 1 2
4 32 11 21 0 12 1
5 35 16 19 0 0 0

Told-with-residue rose once, at pass 4 (16 to 21). By J's ruling on QC2-002, from pass 5 the criterion is a guide and a rise is not a failure. 67 distinct rooms were read in 151 readings. No room was not-told at any pass.

The next table gives the model as it stands, with where each figure is recorded.

what figure where
elements 28: 20 processes, 4 conditions, 2 claims, 2 roles; 25 stand; 3 candidates (a quarrel carried in, membership carried in, hosting) model/elements.jsonl; c2d2_model_counts.py
arrows 20, all in the model: 18 order, 2 transition; 8 strong, 6 fair, 6 thin; 18 beat the null model/arrows.jsonl; model-p5.md
theorised arrows 2: the template settling a design (order at chance) and the one-line answer to a call (never counted) model-p5.md
loops none grounded model/loops.jsonl
findings 13 (20 lines) findings.jsonl
tier 28 fourth-order themes (13 borrowed, 14 adapted, 1 coined) in 8 dimensions (6 adapted, 2 coined) fourth/fourth.jsonl, dimensions.jsonl
third-order themes unused 55 of 197 without the claim; 41 if the claim's themes count as used c2_unused_t3-p4.md, c2_unused_t3-p5.md
instance audit 48 transitions checked six ways: 34 pass, 14 fail, none swapped; 19 of 20 arrows keep a passing transition c2d_instance_audit-p4.txt
connection statement "in a room carrying both, the first concept of FROM comes before the first concept of TO"; 500 shuffles within each room, seed 20261014 notes-C2.md, pass 1

The reviewer

One hostile reader, once (C2b, C2c), on Opus. It found nine errors: order 3, quote 1, contradiction 4, count 1. Six were accepted in full, two in part, one refused (A01's instance read as a coordinate). The fixes went into the arrow ledger at C2c and into the pass 4 texts. Its rival partition sits at adjusted Rand 0.661 against my tier. It agrees where the model has arrows (the spine, the contest, the close) and disagrees where the residues are (membership carried in, hosting, the host sub). Its hosting group was accepted as a recut at pass 4. It also put recruiting canvas visitors and drawing lapsed fans back beside the call. At pass 5 that group is the residue of six rooms (below).

What the passes changed, and which pass the model rests on

The model rests on pass 5. I keep each pass 4 change because I believe it, for the reasons in notes-C2.md (pass 5, declaration 2). Pass 4's own section discarded those changes under the criterion as judge. That discard is reversed. Nothing was dropped at pass 5.

What I am sure of, what I am not, and why

Sure. The spine holds in every room read: each showed at least part of it, and every residue sat beside it. The two boundaries were residues at passes 3, 4 and 5 under three stories, and no test of hosting beat its null. Membership carried in does not come before the attack more than chance (F-011). In 10 turns in 7 rooms it names the rival in the attack turn itself (F-013), which is why an order count cannot see it.

Not sure. The claim's candidates came only from the residue clauses of 16 rooms, so its reach is unknown. I judged sweden's and placeDE's attack calls as naming a national rival without the members' tie in words; another reader could count them. Visibility returns was noticed partway through the pass 5 reading. The claim is untested for order, and the reverse order (attack first, membership told after) was printed at pass 4 and never tested. The verdicts have no second reader.

For stage C3, and the stages after it

The licences exercised, and those not