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Notes, stage D4

D4a-01: the statistic, the sensitivity check, the first pass (one element), and the held proposals

Leg D4a-01, 24 October 2026 (UTC). The tree itself, its rules and its accounting are in tree-D4.md; the branches are in branches.jsonl, forms/ and crosslinks.jsonl. This file records what was done and why. J stops the run after this leg (QD4-001), so this pass is the last one the run makes.

J's message after the D3c interview, and what was done with each part

  1. D3 stays frozen at 46384686, with no further re-check. Done. No labeler or reader was used.
  2. The amendments to P05 and A11. They were made as recorded amendments under rule 11 (move 198 on P05, move 199 on A11; history lines 173 to 180), each marked not re-checked with the frozen version beside it. F-024 and F-017 were re-examined in the same act. P05 took the bound, not the widened revision. The reason: the bound keeps the words the 705 rooms were re-checked against and narrows where they hold, while the widened revision adds a route and a holder that no room was served and no re-check can test. A11 was withdrawn: it never beat its null; template first (98 rooms) is nearly as common as the transition (111) of the 228 rooms with both ends; the failure clause stands alone in 117 rooms (talk only 31, layout only 86); and 261 accepted restrict lines say that a template does not settle the design for good.
  3. Mark each amendment as not re-checked, beside the frozen version. Done in the records. Since the revert, they appear as held proposals in tree-D4.md, here and in the head.
  4. If the close-check refuses the amendments, ask. It did ('model/ and its tiers moved after D3 froze them'; _analysis/d4a01_validate_D4_01.txt). I asked (QD4-001) and did not work around it. J chose option (b) (24 October, 15:05 Berlin). Move 203 reverted both amendments: P05 and A11 are restored byte for byte from the snap of move 197 (_analysis/d4_revert.py, history lines 181 and 182). The model hash is 46384686 again. Both amendments are held proposals, stated in full with their rooms, lines and moves in tree-D4.md ("The held proposals"). F-024's and F-017's D4a-01 lines stay as written. Each finding has one later line that restores its earlier statement and records the held proposal (findings, now 42 lines).
  5. Do not rely on the kind of add-condition, add-step and restrict lines; run the distance once with kind collapsed for them. Done (_analysis/d4a01_kind_collapsed.py). The combined distance hardly moves: Pearson 0.9965, mean absolute difference 0.0024, delta 0.4223 against 0.4227. The average-linkage trees agree with ARI 1.00 at 2 and 3 clusters, 0.886 at 5, 0.922 at 8 and 0.779 at 12. No branch takes its members from a per-kind view for those ops, and each branch's kind field is reported, not relied on. Local validation is reported as not established: prior.md section 3's measure was not computed.

Section 1, read before any cut

The delta score is 0.4227 (Monte Carlo SE 0.0020). The average-linkage dendrogram is a chain with no partition: at 12 clusters one group holds 663 rooms. Every room holds a key, and none returned none. Shared corrections reach 5 rooms only at the bare target. The detail is in tree-D4.md.

The pass

What this pass shows, and what it does not

For the operator

Slips

Close-check, D4a-01

validate.py D4 reports 0 errors and 1 warning (_analysis/d4a01_validate_D4_03.txt). The warning: the comparison and the projections are not built; at a leg that made a cut they are built after the last cut. Section 4: 103 in a branch, 0 unadapted, 602 adapted in no branch, 0 unreturned; 705, the analysed set. The first run (d4a01_validate_D4_01.txt) gave the model:moved error, now gone with the revert. The second (d4a01_validate_D4_02.txt) gave the missing notes and the unnamed rooms, now written.

D4a-02: the second pass, the comparison, the projections

Leg D4a-02, 25 October 2026 (UTC). The harness opened this leg after QD4-001 had said the run would stop at D4a-01, so the run goes on, and this leg does the stage's remaining work.

The comparison, declared before its script runs (stage D4 section 5)

The final branch cut of the stage is cut 29 of this leg (F35, move 236), and every cut is snapped. No branch is recut after the comparison is seen. The comparison is the chunk-share comparison, run as the stage file gives it: python3 tools/chunk_compare.py --out out --store package/store, the versioned engine (chunk-comparison-v1), with its defaults. Its method, as the stage file and the engine state it:

The comparison did not run (QD4-002)

python3 -I -B tools/chunk_compare.py --out out --store package/store stopped on its first room: "ValueError: Placement lacks fourth-tier parent: ('2007scape', 't02')" (_analysis/d4a02_chunk_compare_run.txt). The cause is the run's residue. 335 second-order themes in 213 rooms are placed on the two third-order themes that no fourth-order theme gathers: T3-017 (carrying on ordinary sub talk, 334) and T3-133 (recovering a hacked sub, 1). data_structure-C5.md keeps both as residue, and the tiers are closed after C5 (rule 11). The stage file counts unplaced concepts apart; the engine raises on these placements instead. The run wrote no file. I did not edit the engine or the tiers, and I asked J (QD4-002). The projections follow the comparison and are not built.

The pass (cut rules R0 to R7, with the amendment R1a to R1c, logged before it was used)

What the pass shows

For the operator

Slips

None in the writes of this leg. Two spec files (F16, F30) were edited after their generator ran, to change a name the check refused; the edits are the names only.

Close-check, D4a-02

validate.py D4 reports 0 errors and 1 warning (_analysis/d4a02_validate_D4_02.txt). The warning is that the comparison and the projections are not built. At a leg that made a cut this is a warning; the stage does not close without them (QD4-002). Section 4: 476 in a branch, 0 unadapted, 229 adapted in no branch, 0 unreturned; 705.

D4a-03: the comparison, the projections, the handback

Leg D4a-03, 25 October 2026 (UTC).

A departure: the comparison engine is chunk-comparison-v1.1 (QD4-002), declared before it runs

J answered QD4-002 with option (a) (25 October, 19:48 and 19:54 Berlin). The harness owner patched tools/chunk_compare.py and its trusted copy identically to chunk-comparison-v1.1 (sha256 c8d2eb8c7c309c02de9bb04e10efeaa91071ee2a469823f569a9ab64a42c059f). A second-order theme placed only on third-order residue that no fourth-order theme gathers (T3-017, T3-133) is now counted with the unplaced concepts and reported apart, in the fields residue_themes and residue_concepts. A theme also placed on a gathered node keeps that node. The stage file names chunk-comparison-v1, so this is a departure, declared in departures.jsonl (line 10) before the run. The method declared at D4a-02 stands otherwise: the stage file's command and defaults (a = 1.0; seeds 0 and 1; 200 bootstrap draws and 100 permuted copies per seed; k from 2 to 12). The cuts are final (F35, move 236), and no branch is recut after the comparison is seen. Beside the comparison I report each room's residue share, as J asked: the share of its placed and residue concepts that sit on residue.

The comparison read (detail in tree-D4.md)

The projections read

The single does-not-compose room (picturegame) lies in F21 and F25. The canvas percentiles follow room size: 11 of 35 branches have a median room size at or above the 95th percentile, and the large-room clusters have the large areas. No difference in what rooms kept on the canvas is read as independent of size. No cut rests on the projections; every cut was snapped before them.

What D4 shows, for D5

Slips

Close-check, D4a-03

validate.py D4 reports 0 errors and 0 warnings (_analysis/d4a03_validate_D4_01.txt), including the trusted replay of the comparison engine. Section 4: 476 in a branch, 0 unadapted, 229 adapted in no branch, 0 unreturned; 705.

D4a-04: can the 25 top-level branches be joined into fewer parents?

Leg D4a-04, 25 October 2026 (UTC), an extra leg on J's instruction (25 October, 21:39 Berlin, through the handler). J finds 35 branches a lot and asked whether the 25 top-level branches can be joined into a smaller set of parents, on grounds the stage and the contract allow, decided from the record. If not, the reasons go here, nothing changes, and D5 runs one leg per branch. J will not be asked again.

The test, written before any computation

A parent is a branch, so it must meet what the stage asks of a branch:

  1. Keys. Every member holds every key of the parent at its level (section 2). Members' material can stand beside the keys as a declared ground, never alone.
  2. Nesting. A subform nests by adding keys. stage_D4.py accepts a child only if each parent key has the same op and the same target as a child key, and the child's node lifts to the parent's node. So one parent can hold only branches of one element and one op.
  3. The level. A group that meets only at the dimension or the bare target is a grouping, not a branch, since the aggregation does the work (section 2; cut rule R4).
  4. The source. No list of rooms that belong together may come from anywhere but the ledger (section 2's Forbidden). Rooms that happen to share branches therefore ground no parent.
  5. The shared change. A parent, like any branch, needs lines that state one shared change (cut rule R2). Rooms that the parent brings in, beyond its children, must have lines read for that change.

What the record shows (_analysis/d4a04_joins.py, d4a04_joins.txt)

Decision

No join is defensible on grounds the stage and the contract allow. Nothing changes: 35 branches, 25 top-level and 10 subforms, 759 cross-links. D5 runs as the stage says, one leg per branch. The subforms already nest inside their parents (F02 to F06 in F01, F12 to F14 in F11, F18 and F19 in F17), so a parent's leg can hold its subforms' accounts. The families named at D4a-02 are a reading aid for D5's accounts: they state one change across elements or nodes, and each D5 account can cite its family. They are not parents, since nothing in the ledger joins them.

What would have made a join defensible. Either a key held by every member of the branches to be joined, at the third or fourth order (none exists), or a stage rule that accepts parents at the dimension or the bare target (the stage forbids them). Neither holds, so 35 is the number the keys support.

Close-check, D4a-04

validate.py D4 reports 0 errors and 0 warnings (_analysis/d4a04_validate_D4_01.txt), including the trusted replay of the comparison engine. Section 4: 476 in a branch, 0 unadapted, 229 adapted in no branch, 0 unreturned; 705.

D4a-05: room forms, the top cut (an addition after D5)

Leg D4a-05, 26 October 2026, on J's instruction through the handler, after D5 closed. J, 17:27 Berlin: "I need to tell it to make something with 4 to 8 big forms and then continue clustering down to 700." J, 18:35 Berlin: "I mean as a leg that happened after not instead." J, 18:36 Berlin: the cut is to be gone over with J before the split down to the rooms. The dated amendment is in departures.jsonl (lines 11 and 12). The report is room-forms-D4a05.md; the forms and their members are in room-forms-D4a05.jsonl, and the room table in room-forms-D4a05.tsv.

D4a-06: room forms, the top cut redone (an addition after D5)

Leg D4a-06, 26 October 2026. J read my interview answers to his four questions and said (19:50 Berlin, through the handler): "Go ahead this sounds good." The interview ran in a fork and is not in this folder; the fixes were taken from the handler's list. The amendment is dated in departures.jsonl (line 13). The report is room-forms-D4a06.md, with room-forms-D4a06.jsonl and .tsv.

D4a-07: room forms with the arrow at every level (an addition after the accounts)

Leg D4a-07, 26 October 2026. J asked (20:35 to 20:37 Berlin, through the handler): "How come arrows are not used?" "The arrow can work at any level. Just as the T3 are T4 and Ds." "Add the arrow and give your ideas as proposals but not mandated." The amendment is dated in departures.jsonl (line 14). The report is room-forms-D4a07.md, with room-forms-D4a07.jsonl and .tsv.

D4a-08: room forms on the changes and the codes (an addition after the accounts; open)

Leg D4a-08, 26 October 2026. J, through the handler: 21:05 Berlin, "How about using the code counts, dimensions for example, as well?"; 21:06, "Yes. Please also tell it not to close but write us so we can iterate."; 21:09, "Tell it to use the code counts as deviations from a mean normalized use. Same as the changes, 0 should be the global model." The amendment is dated in departures.jsonl (line 15). The report is room-forms-D4a08.md, with .jsonl and .tsv. The leg is open: J and the handler answer in the conversation, and done.sh waits.

D4a-08, the cut I stand behind (J, 21:24 Berlin: "We need them to stand behind the cut.")

D4a-08c, fewer forms and the core placed (J, 22:00 Berlin)

J's ruling, the allocation and the tree to the leaves (J, 22:18 Berlin: "6 it is.")